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Say It Ain’t So Jane Roe July 14, 2009

abortion poster I have always believed that one of the most unfortunate and weakest chapters in the pro-choice movement is Jane Roe.  Yes, Jane Roe, that Roe…the “Roe” in the 1973 landmark U.S.  Supreme Court decision Roe vs. Wade.  Jane Roe aka. Norma Leah McCorvey, is now in her sixties,  and a pro-life church going lesbian living in Texas.  In her biography, I Am Roe: My Life, Roe v. Wade, and Freedom of Choice, McCorvey claims she was manipulated by her lawyers Linda Coffee and Sarah Weddington during the 1970’s trials. She also admitted that she lied about her pregnancy being the result of a rape.

Clinging to her pro-life stance and religion, she was arrested yesterday during Sonia Sotomayor’s confirmation hearing.

The Washington Post

‘Jane Roe’ Arrested at Supreme Court Hearing

By Paul Kane
Monday, July 13, 2009

The woman at the center of the Supreme Court’s landmark abortion rights ruling was arrested today at the confirmation hearing for Sonia Sotomayor among a wave of anti-abortion protesters who lined the sidewalks outside the Senate office buildings and several of whom made it into the hearing room and disrupted in an attempt to disrupt the proceedings.

Norma McCorvey, 61, of Texas, better known as “Jane Roe” in the famous Roe v. Wade case from January 1973, was arrested after she and another protester started yelling during the opening statement of Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.), according to Capitol Police. McCorvey, whose pursuit of the right to access to abortion in the early 1970s led to the ruling that has been a pivotal part of every Supreme Court nomination process since, eventually become a notable opponent of the procedure.

Sgt. Kimberly Schneider of the Capitol Police said McCorvey and Francis Mahoney, 68, of Florida were charged with unlawful conduct for disrupting Congress, the third and fourth such arrests the police made during the more than five-hour proceedings. McCorvey was part of the group of protesters outside the Hart Senate Office Building throughout the day, a gathering led by Randall Terry, the former head of Operation Rescue, an organization dedicated to ending abortion.

McCorvey, who used Roe as an alias in her court filings for fear of retribution, remained an abortion-rights supporter until the mid-1990s. Working at a women’s clinic in Dallas, she befriended some Operation Rescue protesters. In 1995, she was baptized and has been an anti-abortion activist ever since.

The last two rows of the hearing room were reserved today for about 50 members of the public, who rotated into the hearings for short intervals and then were escorted out to allow others to view the proceedings. McCorvey and Mahoney were part of a group headed out as Franken was praising the service of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), a staunch supporter of the Roe decision. Kennedy left the Judiciary Committee earlier this year, making this the first Supreme Court confirmation fight without his presence since 1965.

When McCorvey and Mahoney started shouting, they were quickly removed from the room. Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), Judiciary Committee chairman, banged the gavel on the crowd for the third time today.

“Officers, please remove whoever is causing the disturbance,” Leahy said. “Again, as Senator Sessions and I have said, this is a meeting of the United States Senate. We’ll show respect to everybody who is here, we will show respect to everybody, including to Judge Sotomayor, to the Senators on both sides of the aisle, and we will have order in this room.”

Late Term abortion

An Example of Pro-Life Propaganda

In exploring the pro-choice versus pro-life positions, I remained pro-choice despite my new identification as a conservative.  The days of coat hangers and drinking turpentine are thankfully over and it should remain that way.  Norma McCorvey is free to change her mind as much as she wants. What I do take issue with is her openly fighting the right to choose  for other women.  The hypocrisy is a bit astonishing.  Even if I was once pro-choice and I did convert to pro-life as a personal choice, which I have by the way, I would not advocate and deny that choice for other women.  Whether she likes it or not, McCorvey’s alter ego “Roe”  left a distinguishing mark in American History. She is the ultimate “herstory”  and I embrace her right to protest. However, I feel that she would be more effective as an pro-life advocate if she allowed her story to fruitfully serve as focus point for provative discussions on abortion.  In a sense, McCorvey is a living relic of history, a historical actor.  She should speak about her motivations in 1971 as juxtaposed with those during the 1990’s which led her to convert to pro-life.  All puns aside,  Norma McCorvey should find more effective ways to be productive for the pro-life movement. Getting yourself arrested at protests is actually quite liberal and in the end nothing but a bunch of noise and court hearings.

There I said it.

When I was a liberal, I was never into that.

Perhaps if Ms. McCorvey told her story in a less progressive fashion, she could actually influence teenagers such as Bristol Palin to choose abstinence. It worked for Afrocity and yes I am pro-choice but I will always feel that abstinence is best for teenagers.

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21 Responses to “Say It Ain’t So Jane Roe”

  1. Marcy Says:

    I don’t believe for one minute that McCorvey’s attorneys manipulated her, and it’s sad that she can’t have her conversion without attacking those who tried to help her. I really have no use for women who, having gotten their safe, legal abortion, then see the light so to speak and decide that no other women should have that right. Although, if memory serves, McCorvey didn’t actually get the abortion she was seeking in the Supreme Court case because by the time the case worked its way through the legal system, she had already had the baby and given it up for adoption.

  2. When I was younger, I was pro-choice because I bought into the idea that a fetus is not human life. Today I recognize that a fetus is indeed a developing human life – it’s certainly not plant or insect life – but I am still pro-choice for two main reasons: 1) the idea of women seeking back alley abortions terrifies me, and 2) I’m still uncomfortable with the idea of using the law to force women to act as incubators. I’m in the safe, legal, rare, and EARLY camp.

    That said, I am extraordinarily sympathetic to the pro-life position. I just think the movement is going about things the wrong way since Roe isn’t going anywhere. Creating a culture of life in which mothers and fathers (and motherhood and fatherhood) are truly valued will be far more effective than sending McCorvey to bust into hearings like a deranged Code Pink protester. I wish the pro-life movement would instead work toward changing the almost ubiquitous view on the left that babies are burdens who will ruin the lives of young women.

    I also think that if pro-lifers want to reduce abortion, they’d get a lot more mileage out of donating their time and money to organizations that help young women cope with the financial and emotional pressures involved with raising children who result from unintended pregnancies. If all women have access to even half the support network Bristol Palin has, they will have true choice, not just pressure to make the choice that will save them from “ruining” their lives.

  3. paranoidpyro Says:

    As a pro-life male, I personally find the most difficult of this debate determining when life actually begins. If life doesn’t truly begin until birth, then partial-birth abortions (which I believe to be an abomination) are OK. If the standard of “viability” is the definition of life, then medical technology has moved that standard up to about halfway thru the 2nd trimester. When the battle for life comes down to an issue of semantics, we’ve taken a wrong turn somewhere in our society.

  4. bob Says:

    Any high school kid that goes into Albertson’s and buys a pack of rubbers knows when life begins. Unlike our current President, who said it was beyond his pay grade.

    It’s a very serious topic.

    There is a very serious way of looking at it, an ancient way in the Far East, you find it in Plato too, of thinking that life begins even before conception. I refer to the Myth of Er, and etc.

    My pappy was a lawyer. I know there are many hard things in life.

    My plea is, for both young men and women, THINK, and avoid the problem.

    It’s not that so very hard to do, to avoid becoming pregnant when you don’t want to.

    The responsibility for this is equally on the men, as well as the women, let us always insist on that.

    Grow up, be responsible.

    • kywrite Says:

      “Any high school kid that goes into Albertson’s and buys a pack of rubbers knows when life begins. Unlike our current President, who said it was beyond his pay grade.”

      LOL! That was well stated!!

      (myth of UR, btw, so people can look it up if necessary. I think the myth of ER refers to the idea that Obama is articulate.)

  5. Jessica In PA Says:

    Abortion is murder pure and simple. Life starts the moment the child is conceived. Late term abortions are disgusting and should never be performed. I heard that there is never a reason for late term abortions and the mother’s life is threatened in only 10% of the cases.

    • kywrite Says:

      I’m pro-life personally, pro-choice reluctantly, and I hate late-term/partial birth. But I promise you, there are cases when you must use it or really, truly risk the life of the mother. My cousin is my standard case in point. True story.

      When she married (far too young), her husband basically imprisoned her. She was not allowed to speak to her family, etc. When she got pregnant, he abused her and basically starved her; he’d go out to his parents’ house and eat, then bring back candy bars and eat them in front of her without offering her any — and there was no food at all in the house she was not allowed to leave.

      Ultimately, at 7 months along they argued, he drove her to her parents’ house, and LITERALLY kicked her out of the truck into the cold mud in front of the house. Only at that point did she get any prenatal care.

      When they looked at the baby on ultrasound, it was terrible news. The head was two months behind in development, and all his internal organs were developing outside his ribcage. He was totally non-viable outside the womb, and there was nothing they could do. His mother had been starved and beaten to the point that they were afraid for her life.

      So they did the best thing for her at that point: she was given a late-term abortion. To this day, twenty years later, she visits the baby’s grave — for it WAS a baby, to her and to me and to the whole family.

      All abortion is abused. But if it had been illegal, there was a very good chance my cousin would have died — and for what? A baby that would survive minutes, if at all.

      The black/white answers – whether pro-life or pro-choice – are far too simple for the incredibly complex question they are designed to answer. And that’s why I’m both pro-life in every case (for me, as a personal choice) yet pro-choice (for those who really do need that option.)

      (PS – the husband did get his comeuppance. The cousin’s brother ran over him (oopsy!) and the country sheriff put it down as accidental, not that the guy was that hurt. And I think he’s in prison today. Meanwhile, the cousin is the mother of five or six kids, all good and all doing just fine.)

      • Marcy Says:

        I remember when Clinton was President listening to testimony from women (from both parties) who had needed late term abortions. I didn’t understand how anyone could listen to the stories of their lives and still vote to take this choice away from women; most of them already had young children who would have been left without a mother if a safe abortion had not been available to end the pregnancy when the baby had such serious medical problems it would not likely have lived beyond a few minutes. It’s sad that such a choice has to be made, but I just don’t accept the view that women are such heartless, brainless creatures that we have abortions on a whim or because we have nothing better to do that day. I don’t think any woman makes such a choice casually, and it should be her decision.

      • kywrite Says:

        Thing is, I’ve known women who also just went out and got abortions as their form of birth control (one case: a stripper who by the time she was, I think, 25, had had 5 of them.) If I were Queen of Everything, these women would be required to get a Norplant at the same time they aborted the second fetus.

        There are also women who get abortions due to overwhelming family pressure, or because their boyfriends dump them when they find out about the baby. They have had their choices taken away from them, in a very real way, but from the other direction. Case in point here: the abortion doc who was murdered a few weeks ago gave a 7-months pregnant Down syndrome woman an abortion, and the allegation was that her family insisted. Did they really? I don’t know. The case got yanked, if I remember correctly.

        Or how about the young girls who are getting abortions from Planned Parenthood when older men impregnate them — but PP does not report the crime?

        These issues are the reason we need to quit making abortion black and white and start addressing the real, hard, underlying problems that cause women to get abortions.

        Am I pro or anti abortion? I haven’t had a good answer to that for years. And let’s face it — most people really don’t. Those who have an easy, glib response in either black or white camps either haven’t thought hard enough about it, or don’t have hearts.

      • Marcy Says:

        Okay, I confess that I know no strippers or anyone else who uses abortion as birth control; but conceding there are such people, this is still not a justification for denying a woman the right to be the “decider” on this issue. And we all agree that anyone victimizing a young girl should be punished but I don’t see how that should bear on whether she has a safe, legal abortion available to her. Obviously capacity to consent is an issue, but as long as that is present, no one else’s judgment should be substituted for the woman who is pregnant.

  6. madamab Says:

    I would never tell another woman how many babies to have. It’s none of my business.

    Why “pro-life” people don’t understand that my body is none of their business, I will never get.

    It doesn’t ring true to me that “pro-life” activists think abortion is murder, since so many of them support actual murder, like, for example, war and the death penalty.

    “Pro-life” people need to remove the motes from their own eyes before they start attacking other people.

    • Marcy Says:

      Since I am pretty much the opposite of the people of whom you speak, in that I am against the death penalty but pro-choice, I don’t know why I am presuming to speak for them; but I do believe there are some who sincerely view the abortion as ending an innocent life who does not deserve to die, but the convicted criminal as just getting his just desserts.

      But mostly I just think they are better at PR than we are and have used the term “pro-life,” as they have “death tax,” to create a distorted view of the issue at hand.

    • I guess you’re right that “pro-life” is a misnomer. I would consider myself “pro-innocent-life.” I believe there is a vast difference between someone like Charles Manson (murderer), Saddam Hussein (genocidal and unstable dictator), and an 8 month old “fetus” (latin for “little person”) that has had no chance to make any decisions yet for either good or ill.

      And while I won’t presume to tell you what to do with your body, I will merely point out the sicking cognitive dissonance that some “pro-choice” advocates think a 14 year old kid can’t get her tonsils removed (part of her body, correct?) without parental consent but think that parental consent on abortion is a crime against humanity on par with slavery.

      • madamab Says:

        Well, ghostofsparta, I am sorry you believe that pro-choice advocates feel that way. To say that your statement is an exaggeration would be unfair to the word “exaggeration.”

        For your information, plenty of pro-choice people believe in parental consent. In fact, from my travels around the pro-choice sphere, I would say the majority believe in it in some cases.

        As for pro-“innocent life,” war kills lots of innocent people. Do you really believe otherwise? As for the death penalty, The Innocence Project has shown that many innocent people have been executed because of the death penalty. How do you feel about that?

        What I think is so tragic is that people who are so vehement about being “pro-life” are demonizing women who are already suffering. Despite the propaganda put out by the activists on the “pro-life” side, no woman goes tripping down the street, lightly choosing between a mani-pedi and an abortion. It’s a very difficult decision. And to plead with us to “think about it very seriously.” Come on! Why are you assuming we don’t? And what about the fact that 1 in 6 women in America will be raped in her lifetime? What is a woman supposed to do if she becomes pregnant? How is “thinking about it” going to help her then? Would you really condemn her to having her rapist’s baby?

        And to call women “murderers” because they choose to terminate their pregnancy? How can people be so cruel?

        I’ll never understand it. Where is the compassion from these “Christians”?

      • Marcy Says:

        Parental consent or at least notification is the most difficult aspect to consider. This must be a terrible decision even for an adult woman to have to make, and in a perfect world and assuming the parents not to be abusive, it would surely be better if a teenager could talk it out with her parents before having to decide what to do. And I know some argue that if she had a good relationship with her parents, she would tell them herself; but I don’t think this is necessarily true. I think there is a real possibility that being so young she might without thinking it through believe it easier to have the abortion than face the parents’ disappointment in her for getting pregnant.

      • Jessica In PA Says:

        Madamab is another moonbat. This is not a liberal site.
        I am surprised that Afrocity has not been kicked out of PUMA. The comments they leave show the lack of support they only come here to cause trouble.

        Abortion is murder. PERIOD. Dont give us that life at birth mumbo jumbo. If you allow the murder of an unborn fetus and can live with yourself that is between you and your God or karma. You are likely an atheist anyways.

      • Madam: (sorry my response is late, I had to work tonight)

        You said: “For your information, plenty of pro-choice people believe in parental consent. In fact, from my travels around the pro-choice sphere, I would say the majority believe in it in some cases.”

        I didn’t disagree with you, in fact i used the word “Some” and most assuredly not “most.” ” I will merely point out the sicking cognitive dissonance that some “pro-choice” advocates…” I never said a majority of pro-choice advocates were against parental notification. Are you denying that there are any pro-choice advocates who are opposed to parental notification for minors? Sure, they’re the extremists, but the exist, and that was my point.

        “As for pro-”innocent life,” war kills lots of innocent people. Do you really believe otherwise?” No, of course not. To believe so would be insane and naive. Innocent people on both sides die in war, but I’m one of those crazy wingnuts who believe that war is a necessary evil. Sadam, Hitler, Napoleon, Atilla the Hun…there are men in the world who view negotiations as a sign of weakness, and sometimes you have to confront these types of people head on. Unfortunately innocent people WILL die, it is inevitable (but I don’t think of myself as “pro-war” despite seeing it as a necessary evil in extreme circumstances….)

        “As for the death penalty, The Innocence Project has shown that many innocent people have been executed because of the death penalty. How do you feel about that?” How many innocent people? Do you have a link to this organization? Do they have sources? Are the sources reliable? And I may be cold hearted for this, but if 2-3 innocent people have been executed in the last few decades it’s tragic, but not as tragic in my mind as murderers routinely getting out on parole in 20 years only to murder again. Or rapists/child molesters getting out of jail only to repeat their crimes. Much the same, I’d be more ok with abortion if it truly was rare (e.g. for the health of the mothers).

        “…no woman goes tripping down the street, lightly choosing between a mani-pedi and an abortion. It’s a very difficult decision.” If NO woman took abortion lightly (your own words), then why would there be women getting 3, 5, 7 abortions? If abortions were so difficult on all women (which I whole-heartedly believe they are for MOST), then how could any woman go thru the process more than twice at most?

        “And what about the fact that 1 in 6 women in America will be raped in her lifetime?” If you want to throw out statistics with no support, so can I. I recall hearing/reading multiple times that this number is greatly exaggerated, and that in any case less than 2% of rapes end in pregnancy. I can’t even imagine how horrible that scenario would be, but I don’t think it justifies abortion on demand.

        But the argument is still moot if 2 parties can’t agree on when life begins. Since I think life begins while the baby is still in the womb, I take a more conservative view on abortion.

  7. afrocity Says:

    Jessica, you are correct this is a conservative blog. But you are wrong about Madamab. She ain’t no moonbat, she’s my PUMA sister!

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