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Hound Dog Tales and Bee Bop Fables:The Blacks Who Cried Post-Racial Racism June 30, 2009

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A shepherd-boy, who watched a flock of sheep near a village,

brought out the villagers three or four times by crying out, “Wolf! Wolf!”

and when his neighbors came to help him, laughed at them for their pains.
The Wolf, however, did truly come at last.

The Shepherd-boy, now really alarmed, shouted in an agony of terror:

“Pray, do come and help me; the Wolf is killing the sheep”;

but no one paid any heed to his cries, nor rendered any assistance.

The Wolf, having no cause of fear, at his leisure lacerated or destroyed the whole flock.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.

-Aesop from “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”

The subject of this post is so hilarious that I was elated when someone finally loaded the following clip from the O’reilly Factor on You Tube.  It is about charges from the African American community that the media being racist in its coverage of recently deceased pop music icon Michael Jackson. I warned you in my Sunday Soliloquy post that this would be coming.  While watching television interviews of African American celebrities who discussed the passing of Michael, I noticed a certain …..ummm…defensiveness whenever they were asked about Michael’s use of prescription drugs, the allegations of pedophilia that were brought against him, or his ever lightening skin complexion.  There is no doubt that Michael Jackson was a very talented artist and like most artists: Van Gogh, Elvis Presley, Picasso, Woody Allen,  Mr. Jackson led a very colorful or colorless life depending on how you look at him. Michael had some issues (you know he did)  and I see nothing wrong with the media bringing up those controversial issues during interviews.  There is nothing racist about it.  Michael’s iconic status is not only about his musical gifts and tremendous dancing ability, it also encompasses our memories of him as a person- a human being who was indisputably talented but like all of us, not without sin or mistakes.

thats_racist_animatedThis clip explores accusations made by Sean “P Diddy”  Colmes and Jamie Foxx at Sunday’s Black Entertainment Television (BET) Awards that the media coverage of Michael Jackson’s death is racially biased against him and his legacy. I cannot believe that Fox News commentator,Dr. Lamont Hill charges that white deceased entertainers are treated differently or in this case given more respectful coverage by the media than black entertainers

Elvis Presley died about two weeks after my birthday in 1977 since then I have not seen the media cover the death of a musical celebrity so extensively until Michael Jackson. In fact, I would argue that Michael is receiving more media coverage due to technological innovations.  Before August 16, 1977, I had never heard of Elvis Presley and did not know a hound dog from a blue suede shoe. My mother was not a fan of his. As an adult , I would find out that she held animosity for Elvis, alleging that he had stolen most of his music and moves from African American entertainers like Chuck Berry.   That August day remains clear in my mind because while mother was not a fan of Elvis, she had lost a piece of her past.

The main crux of Dr. Hill’s argument relies on media coverage comparisons of Elvis Presley and  his one time son-in-law Michael Jackson.

07-presley_deathBoth Michael and Elvis are music icons, both died during the summer, relatively young and under similar circumstances -i.e. heart attack via  pill and needle peddling greedy handlers. However, one died in 1977, the other in 2009.  That is a 32 year difference. Do you know how much the media has changed in 32 years?  In 1977, you never would have heard about Monica Lewinsky and her navy blue Gap dress on NBC News. You would not have known that Rock Hudson or the 2nd Darren on Bewitched was a homosexual. Even pianist Liberace would not commit to that label at the time.  That is what STAR Magazine and the Enquirer were for. That is what tell all books were for. Two weeks before the death of Elvis a book was published by several members of his entourage the “Memphis Mafia”  about Elvis’s drug use. It was entitled Elvis What Happened? Here is vintage footage of an interview of Sonny West:

Golly gee did they say DEMEROL??????PILL POPPING??? Wasn’t Elvis white? How could they say those things about a white man?  I was a child and I knew that the death of Elvis was drug related because that was all that was talked about. Of course it was not from the lips of Walter Cronkite or Dan Rather but somehow I knew about.

We live in the time of the first black President of the United States of America. The memo said we are officially living in POST-RACIAL  America. Yet I have seen more bullshit phony racism/faux discrimination claims on the part of African Americans than I ever have before in my life. Everyone is a racist now. If you are against affirmative action because you feel that there is no longer a need for racial quotas and group preferences then by golly you are a racist. If you bring up the child molestation charges that Michael Jackson faced, you are a being a racist.

And by the way damn-it, according to Jamie Foxx, Michael Jackson belongs to black people anyway.

It is surprising to me that in this day and age many of my fellow African Americans are alluding to Obama hater drama and race card shuffling in every minute aspect of everyday life. Phony racist outrage in particular, such as the one surrounding this Michael Jackson coverage are so ludicrous and based in speculation that we are diluting any efforts to truly combat real racism such as the example depicted in the photo with which this post began.

Obama wrong2009 is not 1977.

This should be a watershed year for healthy and balanced racial relations. Instead it is a bullshit year of faux outrage and gratuitous accusations of racism. Yesterday the Supreme Court ruling on the Ricci case sent liberals whining that our civil rights are being eroded because the court ruled 5-4 that white fire fighters were treated unjustly due to the city of New Haven throwing out test results that did not favor minorities. Do you get that just because the black fire fighters did poorly on the test, it does not , mean that the results should have been thrown out for the white firefighters?  That is racism. What if the blacks had done well on the test and the results were retained? Would the actions of the New Haven FD have then been satisfactory?

Is America taking crazy pills?  Suddenly I am on liberal blogs arguing “hey in my opinion we no longer need affirmative action. I feel that there is enough equal opportunity out there that I don’t need AA.”

Isn’t this the change Obama was seeking?

Yet liberals are still basically arguing that America is inherently racist and yes Afrocity you poor black girl you do still need to be “helped” by racial quotas.You are so weak and helpless and no white person would hire you without this after all SCOTUS nominee Judge Sonia Sotomayer admitted that her test scores were not good enough to get into Princeton:

Sotomayor: Affirmative Action Sent Me to Princeton

Thursday, June 11, 2009

Judge Sonia Sotomayor says she is a “perfect affirmative action baby,” and that she was accepted to Princeton and Yale despite her lackluster test performance compared to other applicants.

She made these comments in a video dating back to “early ’90s” that she submitted to the Senate Judiciary Committee last week as part of her Supreme Court nomination process.

Sotomayor admitted that her acceptance to the Ivy League schools would have been “highly questionable” if not for affirmative action.

“My test scores were not comparable to that of my colleagues at Princeton or Yale,” she said on a panel for a nonprofit law organization.

(shakes head)

Thanks liberals for the vote of confidence that only a warped mother would give.

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AFROCITY (yes, I can read)

A shepherd-boy, who watched a flock of sheep near a village, brought out the villagers three or four times by crying out, “Wolf! Wolf!” and when his neighbors came to help him, laughed at them for their pains.
The Wolf, however, did truly come at last. The Shepherd-boy, now really alarmed, shouted in an agony of terror: “Pray, do come and help me; the Wolf is killing the sheep”; but no one paid any heed to his cries, nor rendered any assistance. The Wolf, having no cause of fear, at his leisure lacerated or destroyed the whole flock.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.

62 Responses to “Hound Dog Tales and Bee Bop Fables:The Blacks Who Cried Post-Racial Racism”

  1. John morris Says:

    Wow, I didn’t think you could do it but you have upped your game with almost every post.

    The way you weave the visuals and videos in is stunning and usually very powerfull. You also can think and write very well, but sadly your greatest gift is just the honesty and courage to state things most of us see but won’t openly acknowledge.

    I have to try to do a post on this subject.

    • Liberal Larry Says:

      You missed the point about her sad part. It is about a woman who profited from liberal programs foodstamps, welfare, medicaid and is now a far right mouth piece for the right wing nut house. Sad when u think about afro and other black rethugs brainwahsed. Identity crisis is poison. Congratulations to the rethuglicans for the pet black neocon. she was for HRC that is what she says and the puma movement I call bull, how could she be when her views are far right? My respects for saying what she is but u can expect a letter to Darragh about Afrocity .

      • jjsmoof Says:

        will it be a sternly worded letter? Make sure there are no cheeto stains on it after kommisar kos approves it.

      • afrocity Says:

        Larry, are you are the person who said I was a “boil on the ass of PUMA” .

        Who are you? Are you a PUMA? Until someone from high in the organization (Darragh M.) contacts me and asks me to leave, my PUMA badge stays.

        I supported Hillary in the primary and spent lots of time on the TC. Riverdaughter is a person I admire greatly and I consider a mentor of sorts. PUMA and LGF (a conservative blog) gave me the strength to create my own blog.

        I am in the minority in PUMA but if you look beyond my conservatism, and read my posts, you will come to understand that many of my positions against liberal ideas are because I have lived through most of them. Yes I was a recipient of welfare for most of my young life. I would have given anything for them to have given my mother training to get a profession.
        Instead we were given a check and food stamps and she died that way.

        I am not a neocon by the way.

      • Madrigal Says:

        you give liberals a bad name, Larry. Being Democrat used to stand for something, like humanism & conversing in a fair manner. I am sad to see the party I used to admire slowly erode into a cabal of slick elite PR operatives, Obama’s Wallstreet pals & the cult minions hiding behind fake DINO creds, while selling out real liberal ideals of fairness & diversity by using astroturf & hatred to sabotage people of color, women, glbt, elderly, poor, & working class people.

        Your statements are basically cliche talking points from the Obama propaganda machine, in which you use to bash Afrocity (a complex individual w/interesting & diverse opinions/life experience ). You keep projected onto others from your own poisoned fountain of koolaid that progthugs are hooked to like a dialysis machine. I am wondering what do you have to contribute besides neo-prog propaganda and Afrocity-bashing? Do you appreciate anything about her life perspective? How exactly are you a liberal if you are so hateful and intolerant in your attitude?

  2. SYD Says:

    Afrocity, you are such a clear thinker on this subject. I really hope that you will compile your thoughts in a larger work… and publish!

    I know another author who is considering writing a book about the Hillary supporters that have jumped to Sarah Palin. In part, because of this faux racist crap.

    She is a white lesbian and quite accomplished as a writer. I can only imagine what a blockbuster the two of you could crank out…. once Sarah is elected president!


    • Liberal Larry Says:

      In your Puma dreams. Palin is about as dumb as they come. rethugs laugh at her. How puma can go from HRC to a woman elected for her looks obsvioulsy not her smarts is a shame to HRC.

      • Janis Says:

        Larry, just because you instantly classify any woman who you want to shove your dick into as garbage doesn’t make HER stupid. It means you’re scared of your own penis.

        Thanks for letting us all know what liberal men really think of women — garbage dick sleeves.

      • SYD Says:

        I’m still waiting for Conservative Curly and Moderate Moe.

        Could you bring them next time Larry? Your solo schtick is getting kind old…

        Just asking….


  3. Stateofdisbelief Says:

    Morning afrocity.

    The issue of test relevance is something not quite a simple as the media is portraying it. When HR professionals develop testing materials they must be reviewed to ensure that it’s content validity is not skewed to favor or discriminate against specific demographics. I haven’t had the time to research just what kind of test was in question (it could have been a psychological, personality, integrity, biodata, or cognitive ability test, etc). Each one of these has different measures of Validity, Fairness, and/or Applicability. The significant increase in workforce diversity has forced reviews of many employer testing materials to ensure that they are not discriminatory.

    Suffice it to say, testing materials can be discriminatory. I don’t believe the issue was Affirmative Action per se, but a question of the potential construct of the testing materials. This is something that has a long history of case law. In some cases, the fact that a substantial number of a certain demographic is eliminated through test taking does create a presumption of discriminatory testing material construct.

    Again, I don’t have enough information about the specific testing materials in question to determine a position in the SCOTUS decision, and the background material on this issue is more than dry, but it’s certainly important to understand the underlying concepts of a complaint concerning discriminatory testing materials. I just don’t think it’s helpful in this situation to paint it as merely a liberal versus conservative issue. And I believe both sides are wrong in doing so.

    • manbearpig68 Says:

      So if we change tests depending on demographics for a job or school, than is the person who takes the test as good or equal as the people who took the standardized test? If I grew up on a farm, is it fair for me to have to take a test against a person, that is the same race who grew up in the city? If a black person went to an elite private high school and a white person went to a messed up public school and we were both trying to get into Princeton, what happens? If a black person and a white person get hired on the same day for equal jobs at the same company, but the black person gets offered more money because he/she is in more demand because of quotas, is it fair to the white person?

      I don’t believe this has just been painted as a liberal vs. conservative issue but since you bring it up, explain why it’s just liberal leaning people who are coming out and yelling racism at every little thing that happens? Disagree with Obama, you’re a racist. Protest government spending, you’re a racist. Say something truthful about MJ, you’re a racist.
      I don’t hear people yelling racist when people disagree with Michael Steele, or he gets called oreo cookie. Where was Al Sharpton on that one? Why didn’t Janeane G say something when Michael Steele had Oreo’s rolled up on stage on him when was speaking?

      • manbearpig68 Says:

        Changing tests and affirmative action is really racist when you get down to it and that’s what I read in the post

      • Madrigal Says:

        manbearpg68, I know you didn’t address this to me but just thought I’d throw in my 2 cents. I’m only going to address your part (2) question about “why it’s just liberal leaning people who are coming out and yelling racism.”

        First off, as a left-leaning Independent-registered citizen myself… I have been calling B.S. on so-called liberals using the fauxRace issue this past year to cheat & utilize a hateful method to silence legitimate dissent in the population. PUMAs (many of which are liberal) have been complaining about this issue from the very beginning. So not all liberals do this.

        Also, quite a few republicans who switched ranks this year to kiss butt to the Almighty One, (including *some* Fox folks) chose to pull the convenient racist card too.

        These tricks did not start with liberal or conservative rank & file, it started with soul-less elite party operatives of both parties (DINOs and RINOs), thinking up tactics to manage public opinion. Bush’s people did the same thing and now Axelrove has taken this stategy to a new sick level that was sold to youth & people of color as real. It is fair to point out the the fake race card was used by Bush II and Co. when lefties objected to policies by Condi Rice and Alberto Gonzales, etc…. (of course, not at ALL to the crazy level of this year… as even AA’s were getting death threats & being called racist if they did not support the O-mighty) & we all know about the misogynist hatchet job used on Hillary … when Bill was in office. I did not hear many Republicans sticking up for her back then when she was being shredded like Palin is now. I think it is fair to say that both parties have used wanker tactics. These past 2 years, however, are completely out of control in magnitude of hate & hypocrisy –that is why I am no longer a Democrat. I don’t know them anymore.

        Overall, I think that minorities and women (& working-class people) are basically being played on either side of the table by Washington DC cocktail club.

    • Liberal Larry Says:

      Minorities dont do good on tests made by white men . The black firemen wanted other things to be taken into account like their standing in the community. What was wrong with that?

      • manbearpig68 Says:

        You’re saying that blacks and other minorities are not as smart as white. If I’m white and don’t learn anything in school then I’m stuck just the same. One of the white fireman has dyslexia and came in sixth out of 77 because he went way out of his way to get study aids, etc. He didn’t expect a handout and took his success in own hands. Minorities could have done the same thing.

      • Liberal Larry Says:

        Dislexia is not a minority status. He was still white which means that the test was biased for him.

      • manbearpig68 Says:

        Very good! Dyslexia is not a minority status. That’s the first good statement you’ve made. But then you missed the point and stuck your head right back up in your racist ass and spewed out more shit like every other piece you attempt to write.

      • WMCB Says:

        Problem is, Larry, that most of that test was oral interviews, and the city made sure that 60% of those were conducted by minorities. So the “white man’s test” crap won’t fly.

        Not to mention that you reveal your secret contempt for black people by implying that they really can’t do well on their own. My stepson spent a large part of his life overseas as a child/young man. He got dumped into a school system and culture in Japan that was completely alien to him. He still managed to make good grades, because intelligent people can make that adjustment, even when the tests and the materials are “biased against their culture”.

        And if my house in burning down, I don’t give a crap what your standing in the community is. I want you to know how to connect the damn hose properly. If you can’t, then you fail, and I don’t care what your color is.

    • Stateofdisbelief Says:

      As I said in my comment, both sides are wrong to paint this decision as a left or right thing. {{{ sigh }}} people just go off knee jerk.

      The basis of the case was an employer attempting to avoid litigation on the mountains of disparate impact case law in the area of testing. That is a complex issue that one cannot do justice by screaming “racist.”

      Check out the Confluence later for a post by myiq on this decision. It should flesh out the issue for you.

      • afrocity Says:


        Thank you for your comments and you know you are always dear in my heart.

        I agree with the court’s decision yesterday and was also pleased to see that their attorney was a woman who obviously took a lot of criticism for defending them. In the same sense, I applaud the black attorney who defended a KKK group’s right to assemble about ten years back.

        Frankly I don’t need Myiq to flesh anything out for me. He is free to come here and discuss the issue. I don’t need to go to TC’s house to get schooled. I am not accusing you of suggesting that but Afrocity has grown up and got her own pad ;-).

        Myiq is a liberal or die type and I found his statement on Sarah Palin (something to the effect of she sounds more feminist than liberals but I wish she were a liberal) to be very short sighted and insulting. To uplift a woman’s comments and then say “I wish she was a liberal” only marginalizes her accomplishments. The fact is Sarah is a conservative and should be admired and embraced for what she is.

        Had Sarah been a liberal, David Letterman would not have made the comments about Willow in the first place and NOW would have come to her defense.

      • Stateofdisbelief Says:

        I wasn’t referring to you when I suggested checking out the confluence — it was aimed at some of the commenters above. This decision is being used as a political football and that is the real tragedy. The implications are far and wide and most people do not understand the legal basis for the arguments.

      • Stateofdisbelief Says:

        and again…If you note, I didn’t take a position for or against the decision. I still have to finish reading the 93 page decision. It is a legal question based on years of case law.

      • Janis Says:

        Frankly, Myiq gives me the creeps. He freaks out over ANY intimation that a man shouldn’t have sex with a woman while interpreting insufficient resistance as a “yes.” There’s a creepy defensiveness about his insistence that he’s being personally called a rapist by any woman who calls out a man who squints and closes one eye in an effort to convince himself that resigned capitulation is the same thing as wholehearted enthusiasm. I’ll post on rare occasions over there, but I tend to skim over what he says or comments as a result. I have a strong suspicion he’s got some shit somewhere.

  4. TheRealKim Says:

    Bravo Afrocity!! Great Post!!

  5. manbearpig68 Says:

    It’s funny to see the report from 1977. I remember all the same stuff coming out about Elvis that is coming out about MJ. Just a little bit slower news cycle and only a few major rags that wrote about the dirt. Now you have 24 hour news coverage through internet, cable, network, and print. Of course it’s going to come out extremely fast.

  6. Liberal Larry Says:

    Take the test afrocity to see what it feels like to see whites do better. Slavery and poor education effect blacks to do worse on the tests. How is this fair that blacks are disadvantage from the get go. The playing field is not level the deck is stacked against
    blacks, latinos who have language problems.

    • manbearpig68 Says:

      So what if my parents and I came to America from Germany when I was five and I grew up in a very poor neighborhood going to a poor school. What happens then?

    • Janis Says:

      Why do you assume she wouldn’t take that test and kick your melanin-deficient ass, Larry? You’re sop overconfident in your wonderfulness as a white guy, aren’t you?

      • WMCB Says:

        ROTFLMAO! Preach it, Janis!

      • Janis Says:

        She’d crush him. And he’d just hate her the more for it. I remember getting that reaction in grad school from “well-meaning” and “liberal” guys like him who “believe in women’s rights.” Right up until one of us kicks their ass in a traditionally male discipline. Then, the long knives come out.

      • Janis Says:

        WMCB, you know what it all boils down to with idiots like Larry. They are like the misisonaries who want to “help” the savages by bringing trousers and bibles to them, even if they don’t want either. People like him are “liberals” not through wanting to end injustice or unfairness. They are arrogant — they want to help the subhumans become more wonderful and fabulous, like they themselves are. “Liberalism” the way they interpret it is all about how white men are the most wonderful human beings on Earth, and naturally they would want to extend a generous hand (downward, natch) to help raise our poor, sad asses to their level.

        This is why they love things like AffAc. And this is why they hate the hell out of any untermensch who resides above them in achievement or wit. We’re supposed to be BENEATH them, GRATEFUL to them, panting to be ELEVATED TO THEIR LEVEL.

        Liberalism for people like him is all about what’s WRONG with blacks and women.

        What it’s not about is what’s wrong with him. Like I said about AffAc in another comment, the problem wasn’t that my little brain had ot be taught how to be more like a smart male brain or that I had to have academic allowances made for me. The asshole guys in my classes weren’t the targets of my wondrous worship and self-hastred as to why oh why I just could nto achieve such fantastic levels of fabulousness on my girly own. They were in fact the main obstacle. THEY WERE THE PROBLEM.

        But this flavor of what I think of as true liberalism — the flavor that calls the injustice the problem — isn’t what they wanted to hear. It wasn’t sufficiently asskissing for them. Just like it’s not for Larry.

        He’s a white guy, so he’s being NICE by trying to help us all be as much like a white guy as possible. We’re doomed to fail of course because we’re crippled by our vaginas and/or pigment, but he’ll be fondly tolerant of our efforts. As long as we don’t surpass him.

  7. boldandbald Says:

    Interestingly, I had been withholding comment on the MJ death for the simple reason that I was trying to avoid being disrespectful to the diseased. I find it difficult to speak of someone like him without bringing up all of the negatives. It has nothing to do with his skin color. Once again, it has to do with his character. There is no doubt that his upbringing had a lot to do with the way he turned out, but that still does not excuse it. Having said that, he was a brilliant musician, though I was never really a fan of pop music.

    The sad part about the Sotomayor situation is that this ruling will no effect on her nomination. It will surely be brought up in the questioning, but in the end she will be approved and spend the rest of her life effecting the judicial system of this country. I believe it is time that the terms of justices have a limit. I would suggest 18 years. That way every other year there would be one stepping down and one new one taking their place. It is still a long term, and each President would have the opportunity to nominate at least two; but at least the terms would not be lifetime.

    • John morris Says:

      Interesting Larry, You might want to think about all the “people of color” actively discriminated against by affirmative action laws.

      For example, I think one hears estimates that if a school like U.C. Berkley or Stanford or MIT admitted students purely by test scores and high school grades, something like 70-80% of their student body would be Asian, South Asian or Middle Eastern.

      It’s a total B.S. myth that it just helps blacks and latinos at the expense of “white males”. What it really does is pit minority against self described minority to create a constant war for government scraps.

      A dirt poor Hmong or Cambodian refugee who applies to Harvard may be turned down so Obama’s kids can get in.

      It’s not likely you have ever- or would ever read Thomas Sowell’s amazing book, Race & Culture.

      • Liberal Larry Says:

        John morris since when is a job or education a government scrap? Ur example about the asian kids show that the racist streak in ur saying white men are too stupid to pass, here u r John trying to throw out a test that u r gonna fail. two faced double standard at work. Keep America right and white John that is ur point.

  8. John morris Says:

    I really never said anything like what you are implying. I am advocating— merit based criteria in all aspects of life. Let the chips fall where they may regardless of race, sex or anything else.

    The idea that all differences in performance between people and groups can be explained by racism is just nuts.

    Sowell’s examination of performance around the world shows that culture and values are probably the biggest single factor in performance differences.

    Chinese are Known as the “jews of Asia” and were actively discriminated against in Maylasia, Vietnam, Indonesia and many other south asian countries and yet they form the high performing elite group in these countries in spite of it.

    South Asians from India were actively discriminated against in many countries and have also performed very well in spite of it.

    The same is true for Armenians and Jews who have been the target of abuse and discrimination for thousands of years.

    • Liberal Larry Says:

      Jews, asians, indians not the American kind are white if u want brutal truth. They also come from better family money than the blacks or latino, american indian who have been oppressed by WHITE America. Big difference. Asian folks are smarter because of their work ethic yeah they do better.

      • Liberal Larry Says:

        Jews r not a minority. It is a religion.

      • Janis Says:

        “Jews r not a minority.”

        HAAAAAA-hahahahahahahaaaa!!!! *inhales deeply and continues to laugh*

        Please. Jews and wops are white liberals favorite people — we’re dark enough for you to hate and crap all over and still classified as “white” so you don’t have to fear being called a racist when you do. We’re your goddamned dream minorities, aren’t we?

      • Janis Says:

        BTW Larry, why don’t you tell me what went through your mind when you saw the name “Ricci” as one of the firefighters who complained of discrimination. I can tell you right now what went through your mind. And there is NO WAY IN HELL that you can pretend anymore to the mantle of wonderful, nonracist, nonbigoted angel of goodness.

  9. John morris Says:

    I meant South East Asian countries.

  10. John morris Says:

    It’s hard to follow any coherent argument here. Did you say that Asians are whites? I guess you mean that anybody who acheives anything then “is white”.

    Heard that kind of thing a lot among the kids I went to school with in Jamacia, Queens (Hillcrest) . If you get the right answer your “acting white”.

    Anyway, I really recomend that book to anyone who wants to see the effects of affirmative action and other forms of discrimination around the world.

    Nothing can blow a country into poverty and bloodshed like programs like this.

  11. Janis Says:

    I remember going bzuhWHAT when people screamed that bringing up Preznit Barky’s drug use was racist, too.

    Was it racist when Bill Clinton got slammed for smoking pot or GWBush got nailed for sniffing coke?

    PLEASE. Grow the hell up, people. When you run for president, they rifle through your past. And yet when they treated him no differently than they had treated two white guys with filthy rich and common poor backgrounds, it was racist. *sigh*

    Yes, I can see how it would have a different flavor to it — but it sure had that feel when they went after Clinton’s working class bubba background, too. Yet “working class white” is the most uncomfortable political category in the world for an upper-class liberal. We are the stubborn people they wish would just disappear because we disturb their neat little categories and can’t be fit into their pretty boxes.

  12. WMCB Says:

    @Janis @12:57, exactly.

    This is why white progressives are so approving of Barack Obama. If he were a black man who clawed his way to the top kicking ass and taking names, that would be kind…scary.

    But he’s not. He’s a black man who very carefully cultivated his race admission card, and gratefully grasped the (mostly white and wealthy) helping hands on his way up. He stepped into the shoes and the role that had been wholly prepared for him by the largely white male progressive patronage system, and they in return did blocking duty and helped him avoid any actual examination of his competence.

    He is the living embodiment of their AfAction dream: A black man cosseted into “power” by them, proof of their self-congratulatory tender mercies, proof that success for a black man comes by their loving paternal hand alone. Obama is all about THEM, and their goodness and charity in electing him.

    They have lifted up the poor negro by their benevolence, and they are mighty damn gleefully proud of themselves for having done so, for having so selflessly bestowed the trappings of “equality” on him as a gift of their own pure hearts.

    • WMCB Says:

      And BTW, I am not a Republican by a long shot, but I much prefer their approach to their high-profile black members.

      I don’t recall the GOP, when they appointed Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or Michael Steele, falling all over themselves in orgasmic appreciation for their own tolerant goodness, or trumpeting their open-mindedness as teh greatest race triumph EVAH, and a stunning victory for the black folk!

      Nope, they just shrugged, maybe mentioned it on occasion, but mostly just went “Meh, he/she was the best one for the job – what’s to get all excited about?”

    • Janis Says:

      And now that he’s been lifted into power BY THEM, guess whose interests he’s serving? *rolls eyes*

    • Janis Says:

      This is also a big part of why I’ve grown so massively skeptical of men who go out of their way to call themselves feminists. When they do, it somehow always means they’re in love with sitting around talking asbout what’s wrong with women and why we just can’t manage to get ourselves to their level of wonderfulness. “What’s wrong with chicks and why we can help them to be more like us” is pretty much the entire order of the day for male feminists. I don’t buy that feminism is all about maknig women more like men … but it sure is when men use that word.

      So I don’t buy it when men insist that they’re feminist because they do the dishes every other night. It’s all about how wonderful they are and how they can tolerantly help us “up” to their level, and by the way, where’s their laudatory blow job for doing so?

      The most egalitarian (surviving) male member of my family — holding a lot of traditional feminist opinions on things like equal rights, abortion, and porn — is the one who voted for McCain and thinks Sarah Palin is great. He also thinks porn is “for losers” instead of pulling that liberal-guy bullshit about how the first amendment was written specifically to protect their wank rights. He knows enough women who’ve had abortions to know that it’s complicated and the government should butt the hell out, he lived out of the country for a lone time and reacted with ABSOLUTE DISGUST when people would tell him to get himself a mail order buy-your-own bride (his reaction was “I wanna HUMAN BEING not some goddamned dress-up doll”), and he’s decided to donate his entire estate after his death to breast cancer research because our mom had it, his wife had it, and a bunch of her female family members had it.

      But he voted McCain and like Sarah Palin. Compare THAT to the whiny-ass liberal white guys I’ve known and thus far assumed were so much better, like LL up in the comments sections, who are nothing but a bunch of seething, resentful porn addicts who hate the hell out of any woman or black person who’s smarter than they are, doesn’t blow them 24/7 in worship of their fabulousness, and only cares about abortion because he doesn’t want to be a babydaddy but doesn’t care enough to use condoms 100% of the time.

      Keep your goddamned swirl-lightbulb and string-bag using male liberal feminist creeps out of my hair, thanks so much. That’s one lesson 2008 taught me that I’m never going to forget.

      • afrocity Says:

        Janis, I too have become leery of male feminists. I hate to admit that because it is well…prejudiced. I am not implying that there is no such animal as a male feminist but I am noticing that ideas of the patriarchy seem inserted into many of their arguments.

        I was on TC one night and Sarah Palin rightly so received some credit for her response to David Letterman. Suddenly this issue of John McCain and his not defending her comes up. I stated that Sarah does not need a man to defend her and why should John McCain be the one to do it? He is no longer on the trail with her. She defended herself quite well on her own. I felt McCain’s interferences would have been perceived as a fatherly or patriarchal YOU LEAVE MY GOP BITCH alone.

        Who needs that? What is feminist or empowering to women about Sarah needing GOP males to come to bat for her?

      • Janis Says:

        ITA. What I remember from 2008 on that side of the fence was when a bunch of Republican WOMEN stood up for Sarah Palin, like no one did for Hillary, and said, “We saw what you did to Hillary, and we will not let you get away with that with Sarah.” Yes, if McCain had said something, fine. But THEY didn’t need to. They weren’t cowed and scared to speak up or else flat-out backstabbers like the Democrat women had been trained to be by their oh-so-feminist male masters.

        (And Sarah and Hillary were always respectful of one another and didn’t give the chauvinist bastards on both sides the mudwrestling chick fight they were hoping they’d get.)

      • Janis Says:

        Hm, thinking more about this — I don’t know if I’m convinced that male feminists don’t exist although I have to admit honestly that I do lean heavily in that direction. You’re more evenhanded than I am. 🙂

        I have definitely become convinced that whether a man is feminist has little or nothing to do with what letter is on his voter reg card. Just as vicious womanhatred knows no political boundaries, as we all saw in gory, revolting detail last year, true respect for women as actual humans instead of breasts with inconvenient though lesser brains attached also knows no political boundaries.

        Didn’t they say that McCain had more women on his staff and paid them more than the men? And isn’t that one of those basic feminist tenets that women are all too often paid far less?

        Isn’t Sarah Palin’s snowmobile-racing, moose-shooting, Republican husband that stay-at-home kid-raiser who’s proud of and supports his wife’s high-powered career that oh so many liberal women dream of finding? Just try telling them they may be looking in the wrong place!

      • afrocity Says:

        That is true Janis. McCain paid teh females on his staff more than Obama did.

        I also do not like the way Hillary is somewhat stifled in this administration.

        Yes Sarah and Todd Palin embody the feminist idea more than most political couples.

    • afrocity Says:

      And WMCB Obama is proving to be an ineffective leader. He had no experience for the job and any person of integrity would have stepped aside and let Hillary have the nomination. Now he is being controlled by his handlers which is like the blind leading the blind. Gibbs is a disaster.

      I contend that Obama was elected on the idea of affirmative action . Sure he was a black male but he was woefully unqualified. Liberals argued the same against Sarah Palin but she had more experience in the 2nd slot on the GOP ticket than Obama did as the top spot on the DEM ticket.

      When we engage in AA, we are not helping ourselves or the person/group. Yes Obama was given a chance but in the end if he is a sad one term president, some will use this as a lens for black leadership studies.

      • Janis Says:

        A nomination, I might add, that she WON fair and square, and that he had to have gamed and screwed with in order to shove him unfairly across the finish line. The classic criticism of AffAc I believe, just as you say.

        AffAc is nothing but a way for the majority to pump up their egos while not actually helping anyone.

  13. afrocity Says:

    Is there are copy available of the test?

    • Stateofdisbelief Says:

      I’ll email you the decision which details how the testing was developed and constructed. It appears that the “disparate impact” rules of Title VII remain in tact, but the decision was based on the employer’s inability to show that they would have been in violation of such if they didn’t invalidate the results. It’s an interesting decision.

      (from the decision:)

      “We conclude that race-based action like the City’s in this case is impermissible under Title VII unless the employer can demonstrate a strong basis in evidence that, had it not taken the action, it would have been liable under the disparate-impact statute.”

      There’s quite a bit of I/O psych lingo regarding different test constructs, but the basics of the decision have been fairly straight forward.

  14. John morris Says:

    In spite of it’s range of ethnic diversity– Obama’s administation is about as insider as it gets.

    A little taste of Harvard

    Preeta Bansal ’89 will serve as general counsel and senior policy advisor at the Office of Management and Budget at the White house. She served on the Obama transition team as a member of the immigration policy working group. Bansal is a partner at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom in New York City. She was New York’s solicitor general from 1999 to 2001. From 1993 to 1996, she was counselor to then-assistant attorney general Joel Klein ’71 in the U.S. Department of Justice and as special counsel in the White House. Bansal serves as a commissioner and past chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom.
    HLS Professor David Barron ’94 was appointed as principal deputy assistant attorney general in the DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel. He advised the transition team on justice and civil rights matters. Prior to joining the HLS faculty in 1999, Barron served as an attorney-advisor in the Office of Legal Counsel in the United States Department of Justice.

    Cassandra Butts ’91, a close friend of Obama’s, has been serving as general counsel, a job that includes vetting possible appointees for ethical conflicts. She served as Obama’s domestic policy advisor on the campaign. Prior to working on Obama’s 2008 Presidential bid, Butts was senior vice president for domestic policy at the Center for American Progress and was a senior advisor to Rep. Richard Gephardt (D-MO). On December 23, Obama announced that Butts will be Deputy White House Counsel with a Focus on Domestic Policy and Ethics.

    Louis Caldera ’87, who served as the 17th Secretary of the Army during the Clinton administration, will again play a leading role in Washington as Director of the White House Military Office, which is responsible for all military support for White House orders. After his stint as Army Secretary, Caldera worked in the California public university system before becoming president of the University of New Mexico. He currently teaches at the university’s law school.

    Norman L. Eisen ’91 was named special counsel to the president for ethics and government reform at the fffice of the White Housel counsel. He most recently served as the deputy general counsel to the transition. Eisen was co-chair of the public client practice at Zuckerman Spaeder and founded Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a non-profit government watchdog group.

    HLS Professor Jody Freeman LL.M. ’91 S.J.D. ’95 was named counselor for energy and climate change in the White House. She will served as senior advisor to Carol Browner, the White House energy and climate “czar.”

    Michael Froman ’91 was appointed to a joint position with the National Security Council and the National Economic Counsel, serving as the White House’s liaison to the G7, G8 and G20 summits of economic powers. Froman, a managing director at Citigroup, was chief of staff to former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. He served on the transition team’s 12-member advisory board.

    Jocelyn Frye ’88 will serve as deputy assistant to the president for domestic policy and director of policy and projects for the first lady. Previously, she worked as general counsel at the National Partnership for Women & Families in Washington, DC, directing the National Partnership’s Workplace Fairness Program.

    Julius Genachowski ’91 will be chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. Earlier, he was named to the transition team’s 12-member advisory board. A veteran of Internet business operations, Genachowski has been advising Obama on technology policy issues. He was an executive of IAC/InterActiveCorp and was chief counsel to FCC chairman Reed Hundt.

    Michael J. Gottlieb ’03 was appointed associate counsel to the president in the office of the White House counsel. He recently served as an assistant U.S. attorney in the United States attorney’s office for the central district of California. He was previously an associate at WilmerHale.

    Danielle C. Gray ’03 joined the office of the White House counsel as associate counsel to the president. She recently served as deputy policy director for Obama for America, focusing on domestic policy as well as law and judicial issues. Previously, she was an associate at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom in New York.

    Elena Kagan ’86, currently the dean of Harvard Law School and the Charles Hamilton Houston Professor of Law at the school, was nominated to be the 44th solicitor general of the United States. She served in the Clinton White House, first as associate counsel to the president and then as deputy assistant to the president for Domestic Policy and Deputy Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

    Ron Klain ’87, former chief of staff to Al Gore and member of the HLS visiting committee, has been chosen as the vice president’s chief of staff. Klain served as an advisor to Joe Biden during his Democratic primary bid. A debate coach for Democratic presidential candidates since 1992, he helped both Biden and Obama prepare for this year’s debates.
    David Kris ’91, senior vice president, deputy general counsel and chief compliance officer at Time Warner Inc., was appointed head of the Department of Justice’s two-year-old National Security division. From 2000 until 2003, Kris was an associate deputy attorney general, supervising the government’s use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, representing the Department of Justice at the National Security Council, and assisting the attorney general in conducting oversight of the U.S. intelligence community.

    Chris Lu ’91 has been appointed as cabinet secretary. Lu was legislative director and acting chief of staff in Obama’s Senate office, as well as a policy advisor during the presidential campaign. As cabinet secretary, he will manage the White House’s relationship with other government agencies
    Robert Malley ’91 has been appointed as an envoy to Egypt and Syria. In addition to his HLS education, he earned a Ph. D. in political philosophy as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford and clerked for Justice White. Later, Malley served in the Clinton administration on the National Security Council and as Special Assistant for Arab-Israel Affairs.

    David William Ogden ’81 was chosen as deputy attorney general at the Department of Justice. Now a partner at Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr in Washington, D.C., where he is co-chair of the government and regulatory litigation group, he previously worked at the DOJ in several capacities during the Clinton administration. He led the Department of Justice Agency Review for the Obama-Biden Transition Project.
    Thomas Perrelli ’91 was named associate attorney general at the Department of Justice. Currently the managing partner of Jenner & Block’s Washington, D.C., office, he served as deputy assistant attorney general during the Clinton administration, supervising the Federal Programs Branch of the Civil Division.
    Harvard Kennedy School Professor Samantha Power ’99 was named senior director for multilateral affairs at the National Security Council. She was was a member of the team of advisors looking at how the new administration should approach national security, defense, and state department issues.

    Blake Roberts ’06 was named deputy associate counsel to the president in the office of the White House counsel. He recently served as a member of the pre-election transition team and then as assistant to transition executive director Chris Lu ’91. Prior to that, he worked as a field organizer in six states for Obama for America.
    Anne-Marie Slaughter ’85 will direct the State Department’s office of policy planning. She leaves her post as dean of the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University. Prior to Princeton, Slaughter was a professor at HLS.

    Todd D. Stern ’77, formerly a staff secretary at the White House and the Clinton administration’s point man on climate change, was appointed climate change envoy in the Obama administration. Most recently, Stern was a partner at WilmerHale. He has also served in the Treasury Department, from 1999 to 2001, advising the Secretary on a broad range of economic and financial issues, and supervising Treasury’s anti-money laundering strategy. He also served as an advisor to Senator Patrick Leahy.

    HLS Professor Cass Sunstein ’78 has been named administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. He has been associated with Obama since they both taught at the University of Chicago. Sunstein served as an advisor to the Obama campaign.

    These people came in the first wave in January along with these Harvard connected “advisors”

    Jeremy Bash ’98 is a member of the national security policy working group, which is charged with developing policy priorities and plans for the new administration in the national security arena. Bash is chief counsel of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence for the U.S. House of Representatives.

    Anthony Brown ’92, currently lieutenant governor of Maryland, is co-chairman of Obama’s team for veterans’ affairs. He has served in the active and reserve components of the U.S. Army since 1984 and was deployed to Iraq to serve a 10-month tour in 2004. Brown was promoted to the rank of Colonel in 2007 and currently commands the 153rd Legal Support Organization in Pennsylvania.

    Former HLS professor Christopher Edley, Jr. ’78, who taught Obama during his student days, was also named to the advisory board. Edley is currently the dean of the University of California-Berkeley Law School and taught at HLS for 23 years, co-founding the Harvard Civil Rights Project. He is a veteran of Washington, having worked on the Carter administration’s domestic policy staff and as a senior advisor for economic policy on the Dukakis campaign. In the Clinton administration, Edley was associate director for economics and government at the White House Office of Management and Budget. And, from 1999-2005, he served as a congressional appointee on the bipartisan U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

    Clark Kent Ervin ’85, a Texan with ties to President George W. Bush, will help review the Department of Homeland Security’s transition. Currently head of the Homeland Security Program at the Aspen Institute, he previously served as the department’s first inspector general under President Bush, as well as in a similar post at the State Department.
    Current HLS visiting professor Cynthia Estlund will be reviewing the National Mediation Board. Estlund is visiting from NYU, where she is a professor of labor and employment law.

    Roger Fairfax ’98, an associate professor at The George Washington University Law School, is serving as an adviser to the DOJ review team. He previously served as a federal prosecutor in the Public Integrity Section of the department’s Criminal Division.
    Reviewing the Council on Environmental Quality will be George T. Frampton, Jr. ’69, currently a partner at the New York office of Boies, Schiller. He served as chairman of the council during the Clinton administration and was also an assistant secretary of the interior for fish, wildlife, and parks. Frampton has been a president of the Wilderness Society and has been a lawyer for former Vice President Al Gore.
    Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm ’87 is playing a key role in the new administration’s economic policy review. With the auto industry in shambles, she is viewed as an important voice as the President-elect mulls over a new economic plan. Prior to the election, Granholm was Biden’s debate prep partner.
    Massachusetts Undersecretary for Homeland Security Juliette Kayyem ’95 was recently named to the transition team examining state and national security, defense, intelligence, and arms control matters.

    Robin Lenhardt ’95, an Associate Professor of Law at Fordham Law School (and a former attorney advisor in the Office of Legal Counsel in the U.S. Department of Justice), is on the DOJ agency review team.

    John Leshy ’69 is on the Obama-Biden Administration’s energy and national resources team, helping to conduct the review for the Department of Interior’s transition. Currently a professor at the University of California’s Hastings School of Law, he previously held posts at the Department of Justice, the National Resources Defense Council, as associate solicitor for energy and resources during the Carter administration, and as the Interior Department’s general counsel during the Clinton administration.

    HLS Professor Kenneth Mack ’91 been named as an advisor to the Department of Justice Agency Review Team, where he will be focusing on civil rights issues. He is also an advisor to the Science, Technology, Space and Arts Agency Review Team, where he will advise Clement Price, who head of the Team working on the National Endowment for the Humanities.
    Spencer Overton ’93, an election law expert at the George Washington University Law School, has been charged with reviewing the Election Assistance Commission. He has represented the Democratic National Committee in a variety of cases.

    Thomas Perez ’87 will be looking after the transitions of the Justice, Health and Human Services, Veterans Affairs, and Housing and Urban Development Departments. He currently serves as Maryland’s Secretary of Labor, Licensing, and Regulation and has held several posts in the Justice Department.

    Arti Rai ’91, a professor of patent law at Duke University, has been appointed as a member of the team reviewing science, technology, space, arts, and humanities issues.
    Tonya Robinson ’98, a partner at WilmerHale in Washington, D.C., is on the DOJ agency review team, working with the civil rights group.

    Mara Eve Rudman ’90 will lead the review of the Office of Economic Advisors. Currently a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress and president of the international consulting firm Quorum Strategies, she previously served as deputy national security advisor and chief of staff of the national security council during the Clinton administration.

    Shirley Sagawa ’87, a fellow at the Center for American Progress and co-founder of the consulting firm Sagawa/Jospin, is on the education and labor team. She was formerly deputy chief of staff to First Lady Hillary Clinton and was named first chief operating officer of AmeriCorps.
    Phyllis Segal, a Program on Negotiation faculty member, will help review the transition of the Federal Labor Relations Authority. She served as deputy attorney general of Massachusetts and was previously on the board of the Federal Labor Relations Authority. She has also worked for the National Organization for Women.

    Then came wave after wave of new Harvard alumni like

    Dawn Johnson

    Many people have noticed the change. In terms of backround and life experience– this an insider oriented, elitest, Ivy league club to the max.http:


    “Since its founding nearly four centuries ago, Harvard’s relationship to political power has evolved, the school’s prominence ebbing and flowing. But in general the link has grown cozier, and that has gone a long way toward explaining the school’s rise from a small seminary for New England gentry to the most prestigious university in the country, if not the world. At the same time, say a few observers, the proximity to power has also brought costs for the university, making it a poster child for a particular brand of intellectual overreach and arrogance – the “best and the brightest” of David Halberstam’s book, which chronicled how some of Harvard’s finest minds went to Washington with President Kennedy and gave the country the Vietnam War.”

    • John morris Says:

      And that doesn’t touch the Goldman Sachs Conection.

      “The Democrats–the party of George Soros and dodgy cattle futures–have long profited by denouncing Republicans as the party of Wall Street, a raggedy front for a gang of amoral money-runners pulling the strings of their puppets in Washington. It’s a useful narrative for Democrats, but it isn’t true. Wall Street may have a few more pachyderms roaming around than the rest of Manhattan, but the world of bulls and bears is also a world of donkeys.”

      It reminds me of the Civil War South. Every Southern general given major commands in the major war theaters was a West Point grad. The exception was sort of N. B. Forrest who in spite of being a military genius (and a vile racist) was never moved to the position his war record dictated.

      Meanwhile, the North operated much more by merit and failures and incompetents were gradually pushed out to make way for those who proved they knew what they were doing where it counts, on the battlefield.

      Obama’s administration is filled with people with little or no experience outside of the Ivory tower.

  15. AfricanAgainstO Says:

    Hi Afrocity – this is my first post even though I have been reading for a while. Excellent post and discussion. I am one of those immigrants probably Larry will have a difficult time pegging into a certain group. I am black, former radical leftist during my University days, born in Kenya – Obama land. Came to America with only $50 in my pocket and settled in Kansas – strange coincidence ha. Anyway went to college working graveyard hours at a local grocery and attending class in the morning. (We barely had enough food – I ate so much Ramen noodle that I can’t eat it anymore this days.) I had White American – yes Republican Conservative Evangelical Christian sponsors that helped me settle in America. Even helped me with my school fees when I did not have money. You know one thing they did and that made me more conservative this days is really them – they led by example. This were not people with money – they lived in such a tiny 3 room house by the railroad track that you think the train is going through their house. Liberal Larry I am sure you don’t know republicans like them – do you? Their type don’t do what they have done for me and my older brother so they can get accolades from your type. They saw what kind of a hard worker I was and they responded. May God Bless their soul – as they have passed away.

    • afrocity Says:

      African Against O,

      Your story brought tears to my eyes. Many of my mentors were conservatives in Texas. They taught me to be self-sufficient by helping me help myself. I worked for a law firm which took me under their wing, taught me about Texas oil and insurance litigation. At the time I found their views on religion a bit strict, i still do but the work ethic they instilled in me was wonderful. They watched as I rescued my mother from a homeless shelter all on my $400 paycheck. I left Texas a liberal but as i became older, I saw that my ten years in the state had an impact on my political views.

      Thank you for posting and please continue to do so.

    • AfricanAgainstO Says:

      Thanks Afrocity for welcoming me. I will be back. Did not mean to make it a sad story – I have read your life story and you are really amazing. You have overcome so much and I really understand where you are coming from.

      Anyway as you can see I am still a hard worker. I am up working at 3:00 am – hope my kids will learn my work ethics. I work for myself now and understand the pain of a small business person – taxes, red tapes, dealing with customers, etc. – why wouldn’t I want to keep more of the money I am making. – I am taking all the risk and I am the one sleeping only 4 hrs a day.

      • SYD Says:

        It is a beautiful story, nonetheless. And it brought a tear to my eye as well.

        Thanks for sharing it here.



  16. John morris Says:

    I guess I became–or discovered I was “conservative” after working in a little Korean Grocery store in NYC. Didn’t always like them, but I never had to guess why they lived better than my family— work, work, work.

    But the real kicker was investing. I am sort of a goof ball and never seemed to do well in school– problem with authority, I guess. I was pretty good at art and tried to make a living as a fine artist which of course meant lots of penny anti jobs. My mom let me live at home way later than most so I was able to save and try to invest— and that’s where I started to realise how everything I had been taught about how money was really made was mostly not true.

    I think the core of the old GOP was always small business people, self employed people and the self made rich. It’s not just the attitudes towards work that are so different from the lefts, but also more importantly it’s view of risk.

    Democrats always push the general idea that if you only followed them, the government and unions could protect you from the risks and ups and downs of life and tough choices. This is a false lie. If you don’t like the nature of reality, take it up with God.

    Lifes, ups and downs are not the product of “capitalist plot” and we all have to face them. The idea that a certain group of people who mostly work for the government can lead a life with plush pensions and “guaranteed” jobs funded by money extracted from others at gun point pisses me and a lot of people off.

  17. valorie Says:

    Wow, this one really touched a nerve! Afrocity, is this a record amount of comments? I have never seen this many before!

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